Curse

Sagius Truthbarron · Jul 11, 2005, 10:26 AM // 10:26

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Originally Posted by PieXags

Uh, buddy. The majority of the responses here are in agreeance...if that's word, with the original poster. It IS a casual game in a sense that you CAN go get some food or use the bathroom in the middle of a mission and NOT worry about killing it because it does NOT kill it. It's the impatient people who can't wait two seconds who kill the mission, and it's those sort of people who don't play it like a casual game. But they're just impatient and inconsiderate if they can't wait for a moment.

It's got nothing to do with the game, it's the people playing it.

What? So far 8 people have disagreed with me, 3 have agreed.

=HT=Ingram · Jul 11, 2005, 10:26 AM // 10:26

yea I would wait for BRB bathroom emergency or something like that... but Food... naw that's something that can wait till the mission is done... or fails whatever happens first. then if you want to leave leave. no big deal. I just think people are getting tired of dragging others along that are not actually playing. I had one guy that stayed with our group all the way from lions arch to santums cay... I absolutely refused to drag him to the desert and got the leader to kick him or I would leave. since I was the primary healer, he agreed... he was idle for several zones and we already gave him 4 map points, But I refused to get him all the way to oasis with no effort on his part.

Principa Discordia · Jul 11, 2005, 10:26 AM // 10:26

I think that too many of you see this as an "I" instead of a "we" situation. I personally, since I was a child, learned how to control/plan my eating habits and potty breaks when I'm in a situation that requires me to accomplish a task with or without other people. The fact that the team rely on me in-part to accomplish the task encourages me to stay and not just randomly idle to do something else part way through.

PieXags · Jul 11, 2005, 10:31 AM // 10:31

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Originally Posted by Sagius Truthbarron

What? So far 8 people have disagreed with me, 3 have agreed.

I count as 6, obviously. And I only count 3-4 who disagree. (same people just posted the same thing multiple times).

Consideration to me isn't being psychic enough to know when you've got to piss, consideration in my opinion is having the patience to wait 1 minute for a party member to get back. Kicking him for nature's call is inconsiderate.

And well, I personally must have a small stomach. I can't just sit and eat dinner and have that last me, it's just eat a small amount often, throughout the day.

Another thing---the majority of the reasons people go afk for a sec are NOT things you can plan. You can't really plan potty breaks, you can try to hold it but not for long. Eating is the only thing you can plan. But when say someone gets home and needs your help carrying something in, or someone's knocking on your door, or the phone rings. You CAN'T plan that sort of thing.

Sagius Truthbarron · Jul 11, 2005, 10:36 AM // 10:36

The thing about eating is, it will only take a person a good 5-10 minutes to eat. If my food is ready and it's getting cold, then who cares about your game or my game? If the game takes so much importance in your life as to have it attempt to damage your kidneys, starve or dishearten you, what's the point of playing it?

Not waiting on other people is selfishness and impatience.

If I'm in Fissure of Woe and we have been playing for an hour and I want to eat, then I'm going to eat.

Watersong · Jul 11, 2005, 10:38 AM // 10:38

I think it's not so much waiting 2 minutes for someone to finish in the bathroom as it is waiting for an unknown amount of time. When you say you'll take 3 minutes getting pizza, what reason is there for me to believe that you've given me an accurate estimate?
This isn't a problem with established groups but in a random party, you have no credibility.

Aside from trust, it also has an affect on morale. When someone disappears for "2 minutes" everybody in that group doesn't know if that person's ever really coming back and they may lose hope and may lose cohesion.

It may not seem like a big deal, 2 minutes, but when you leave, just like a yawn, it can be contagious. You go AFK, another goes AFK, and etc... Those minutes add up.

Principa Discordia · Jul 11, 2005, 10:39 AM // 10:39

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Originally Posted by PieXags

And well, I personally must have a small stomach. I can't just sit and eat dinner and have that last me, it's just eat a small amount often, throughout the day.

So you can't have a snack before or while you're standing around looking for a PUG?

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Originally Posted by PieXags

Another thing---the majority of the reasons people go afk for a sec are NOT things you can plan. You can't really plan potty breaks, you can try to hold it but not for long. Eating is the only thing you can plan. But when say someone gets home and needs your help carrying something in, or someone's knocking on your door, or the phone rings. You CAN'T plan that sort of thing.

Well, I'm sorry, but I just disagree. When I was a child I was taught things like "make sure you go to the loo before getting in the car", "make sure you use the loo at break because that's what breaks are for", and so on.

I don't consciously "time" my loo breaks, it's a habit from childhood. I have never had to use the loo during class at school/college because I always went at lunch, I have never had to use the loo during work because I always went at lunch, I have never had to use the loo during a Guild Wars mission because I always check my "loo status" before a PUG accepts me or before I form a PUG.

I thought this was a common fact of life for everybody until I started playing MMOs.

PieXags · Jul 11, 2005, 10:43 AM // 10:43

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Originally Posted by Principa Discordia

So you can't have a snack before or while you're standing around looking for a PUG?

Well, I'm sorry, but I just disagree. When I was a child I was taught things like "make sure you go to the loo before getting in the car", "make sure you use the loo at break because that's what breaks are for", and so on.

I don't consciously "time" my loo breaks, it's a habit from childhood. I have never had to use the loo during class at school/college because I always went at lunch, I have never had to use the loo during work because I always went at lunch, I have never had to use the loo during a Guild Wars mission because I always check my "loo status" before a PUG accepts me or before I form a PUG.

I thought this was a common fact of life for everybody until I started playing MMOs.

I'm eating almost every moment of every day when I have the time. I'm eating right now, at 5:41am. I just ran out of food though, so I had to...believe it or not...take 3 steps outside my door to my fridge and get some more. If I were in a mission, you're telling me you couldn't wait 20 seconds for me to go grab some more food then come sit back down?

I can understand it if you're talking about someone eating dinner or something and they'll be gone for 10+ minutes. But if I need to use the bathroom or take less than 2 minutes to get a drink or something...what's the problem?

And to be honest, I'd rather wait for 2 minutes during a mission than 10 minutes before we start the mission because someone thinks they have more time.

Ninna · Jul 11, 2005, 10:44 AM // 10:44

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Originally Posted by Sagius Truthbarron

Better example than the T-ball practice one, someone said "Hold on I have to help my wife with groceries" and we did get a few "/sigh" and "...."s.

this an example of a real-life situation that cant be helped
(and cannot be told in advance)

but it is still irritating to the group because no one likes AFKS

Principa Discordia · Jul 11, 2005, 10:45 AM // 10:45

The problem is that it's so easy to do these things beforehand, why not even try? Why make excuses? It shouldn't even require effort, I consider it sort of immature in a way that someone cannot control their bodily functions (unless there's an underlying medical problem.)

"AFK food", "AFK pee", and logging out are something that bother me when it happens a number of times in a mission.

Edit: The poster below me mentioned the doorbell ringing or somesuch, I consider that a valid reason as it's a "random eventuality". Pee breaks, food breaks, and whatnot should not even be an issue as expect an adult to be able to control such bodily functions.

BladeX3I · Jul 11, 2005, 10:46 AM // 10:46

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Originally Posted by PieXags

Another thing---the majority of the reasons people go afk for a sec are NOT things you can plan. You can't really plan potty breaks, you can try to hold it but not for long. Eating is the only thing you can plan. But when say someone gets home and needs your help carrying something in, or someone's knocking on your door, or the phone rings. You CAN'T plan that sort of thing.

If someone shows up at your house or you are talking on the phone you should tend to that 1st. RL comes before gaming, but if you are gone for a while you shouldn't mad when you come back to a party of 1.

People can't boot you in 2 mins. It takes time to go back to town and boot you and get a new party member. Don't act like you get booted after 30 seconds of being afk. If you are in a mission people usually wait a few mins to see if the you will come back before they decide it's worth it to drop you off and start over. (wasting more time no thanks to you for freeloading)

silvertemplar · Jul 11, 2005, 10:46 AM // 10:46

EDIT : sigh seems im offtopic, so just preventing more flames.

Ninna · Jul 11, 2005, 10:48 AM // 10:48

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Originally Posted by Watersong

This isn't a problem with established groups but in a random party, you have no credibility.

Aside from trust, it also has an affect on morale. When someone disappears for "2 minutes" everybody in that group doesn't know if that person's ever really coming back and they may lose hope and may lose cohesion.

It may not seem like a big deal, 2 minutes, but when you leave, just like a yawn, it can be contagious. You go AFK, another goes AFK, and etc... Those minutes add up.

well said

PieXags · Jul 11, 2005, 10:51 AM // 10:51

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Originally Posted by Principa Discordia

The problem is that it's so easy to do these things beforehand, why not even try? Why make excuses?

If you mean eating dinner, that's understandable. If you mean using the bathroom, that too is relatively understandable. If you mean "taking your kid to the ball park" I agree with you there as well.

But there is no way to tell just how long your party is going to take in a mission, it could be a breeze or you could find out that your party stinks and that you're widdling down a boss for 10 minutes or something. There've been times when I did get some food before a mission, but we took so long I went through it all and was hungry for more, so I said hey brb need a drink. Stepped out grabbed a drink and got back in less than 2 minutes. So what's the big deal?

Or say you're doing a quest with some people, you're doing fine, you don't need to use the bathroom again. Woops your warrior's a moron and got you all killed, guess you better take this oppurtunity to go relieve yourself. *go uses the bathroom*

Comes back just a few seconds later and your party is about to kick you. What the hell is that about? Patience is a virtue people, and to be honest if my ignore list was longer, I'd ignore every single person who wanted to kick me for taking a minute to get a drink. Kicking someone because your impatient is more inconsiderate than someone helping their mom carry in the groceries.

Principa Discordia · Jul 11, 2005, 10:51 AM // 10:51

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Originally Posted by Sagius Truthbarron

The thing about eating is, it will only take a person a good 5-10 minutes to eat. If my food is ready and it's getting cold, then who cares about your game or my game? If the game takes so much importance in your life as to have it attempt to damage your kidneys, starve or dishearten you, what's the point of playing it?

Not waiting on other people is selfishness and impatience.

If I'm in Fissure of Woe and we have been playing for an hour and I want to eat, then I'm going to eat.

If you knew that soon you would have food going cold, why would you go into the Fissure Of Woe?

Watersong · Jul 11, 2005, 10:52 AM // 10:52

Please refer to my post about not so much the amount of time, it's the reliability of your claim of needing that much time.

And also, people like to play while there's momentum. When you play through 5 missions and suddenly one person stops all the action, you may or may not have people suddenly get tired. When you have a constant motion going parties tend to be more willing to continue.

I'm sorry, I forgot to put emphasis on one thing...

Discuss it with your party. This is very important. I'm sure that nobody will be so pissed off at you if you tell your party that you need to do something and ask if it's okay.

If not, and you have to leave anyway, TAKE RESPONSIBILITY. You're trying to unload the blame from you onto your party when it's you.

KaPe · Jul 11, 2005, 10:54 AM // 10:54

Last time I checked you can eat before/after mission and most of them don't take more than an hour - that's hardly enough to die of starvation. And if *do* need to eat that much(that makes it 24 meals a day O.o ) - prepare some before. That goes double for monks

PieXags · Jul 11, 2005, 10:54 AM // 10:54

I do agree with Watersong's point.

And I honestly have only had one group that was ABOUT to kick me. I'm just responding to people who say they think someone should be kicked for "wasting 2 minutes of my time because I just got back from work". How self-centered is that?

And you're right, most of the time if I need to get a drink. I just kill all the enemies in the area. Say "Hey guys brb in just a moment, need to step out my door and grab a drink."

And then they typically just say "np", and I get back and we continue the mission. And that's how it should be, IMO.

Sagius Truthbarron · Jul 11, 2005, 10:55 AM // 10:55

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Originally Posted by Principa Discordia

If you knew that soon you would have food going cold, why would you go into the Fissure Of Woe?

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If I'm in Fissure of Woe and we have been playing for an hour and I want to [This hints at the fact that you haven't made food yet] eat.

Quest answered by quoted text? o.x

decaff · Jul 11, 2005, 10:57 AM // 10:57

To be fair Sagius has a point. Bath room breaks (as you yanks call it, sorry to anyone who isnt a yank) take only a short while and friends and family really do come first rather than someone you played a game with for the past 1/2 hour who your never going to meet again.

If someone bitched at me for wanting to pick my kids up from somewhere I would probably tell them to shut the f*ck up and try having kids themselves.

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Anyone who can't empathise with this is souless. SOULESS.

Little Johnny:"Mum how come Daddy couldn't come and pick us up? We were hungry and cold and lonely for a whole hour!"

Johnny's Mum: "It's just that your Dad felt pressurised by f*cktards from the internet to keep playing a game for their virtual gain. Don't worry the divorce is on it's way."